Knock! Knock! Hi, Mr. Homeowner I am not a roofer, however I am a specialist when it comes to milking insurance companies. My name is Jack Leg John of J.L.J. Roofing LLC. The hail reports i paid for say your house is near the area hit by the hail. Yes I know the hail was very small and scattered but it’s cheap and easy for us to go after your insurance company. We are not a local company but we are in town for a while to get as many hail claims paid for as we possibly can. We can do your roof for whatever we are able to get your insurance company to pay us because we don’t have to pay much in advertising costs and overhead as we just knock doors and use hispanic sub-crews to put the roofs on for as cheap as we can get them to do it. Yes we can give you a long workmanship warranty but of course we won’t be around anymore to honor it when the stains show up on the ceiling. But don’t worry about that because most roof repairs are fairly inexpensive. Just sign this agreement and give me the name and phone number of your insurance company and I will whip out the K-Y Jelly right away! :badgrin:
I have to give them some thanks as well. With a small area hit with hail, they are probably selling us 5-to-1 but we are getting work as well. They do create awareness thereby making a cash-bidding local’s phone ring (like ours). And like previously mentioned, there will probably be plenty of repairs in the next 3-15 years.
A year from now is probably a good time to start sending out “maintenance plan” flyers? lol.
What are you getting at? I hope you aren’t one of those contractors who thinks contingency agreements are only used by fly by nights and out of state scammers. Anybody who doesn’t use a contingency contract is a moron who doesn’t value their time, as far as I’m concerned.
As far as milking insurance companies? I just got USAA to pay $410/SQ on a chalet roof. Do I feel the slightest bit guilty that I am making $15K on one roof? Absolutely not. This gig will not be around forever, so strike while the iron’s hot. I am good at what I do, and getting my slice of the pie.
And oh, sweet door knocking. You can certainly keep thinking that only storm chasers and shady contractors do that. Fine by me, because this week I signed up 9 clients over 50 squares and didn’t see any competition to speak of. I’d prefer to keep it that way!
Best advise I could ever give, is do what the storm chasers do - just way better than they do it.
No i don’t think only storm chasers use contingency agreements. I was roofing before the invention of the nail gun. You can call me Fred Flinstone if you prefer. I learned from the school of hard knocks. ( pun intended ) that it is very wise to get that signature before you end up wasting lots of time. What is the name of my post? It says Door Knocking “Storm Chaser”. There is no mention of door knocking locals. I understand everyone has to make a living. Its just that over the last 30 plus years its always the same ole thing every time a little baby hail comes this way. Here come all the stormers from out of state with their herd of door knocking sheep. They take away a large portion of the market share of roofing work from us legitimate local contractors who have spent a lifetime building a good reputation. They don’t care jack about their own reputation because their stay will be short lived anyways. The bad reputation they give us roofers and the roofing trade in general is left behind when they leave and lingers for several years. Ever heard of American Shingle? They were exposed during the last storm we had here but not before many of our local homeowners were ripped off. You can’t even put a flyer on a door around here anymore. I’ve had hundreds of homeowners tell me that 7 or 8 different roofing salesmen have knocked on their door. I have personally repaired over 100 roofs that were done by the stormers hispanic subcrews. I get a call almost every day saying the company that did the roof is no longer in business but actually they are still in business just not around here anymore. The homeowners are sick of it, im sick of it and the insurance companies are sick of it. Allstate already has plans in place to pay only a depreciated amount for a roof in the near future and all the other insurance companies will soon follow. So enjoy your door knocking while it lasts. Soon you will have to tell the homeowners i can get HALF your roof paid for but you will have to come up with the other half. P.S. I have had all the work i can handle for over 30 years now from existing clients and referrals coming to me requesting my services. If i knock on your door it means i need to use the restroom!
I know this is a debate to no end but I will give my .02
Call me subjective since I have no “storm” experience but I have been roofing for only half of 30 years but consider myself pretty open minded. I just cant sell BS no matter what it relates to. I feel like this side of the industry has this rep for good reason from what I have seen recently.
On the other side of things… working for a “local”, we are so covered up with a lack of management, lack of a systematic approach, being in a comfort zone, lack of knowledge, lack of preparation, and old school non-forward thinking that we are missing out on opportunity. And with “storm opportunity” I also mean by doing the customer due diligence. Probably 75% of the hail damage calls I’ve seen in the past 2 weeks were generated by stormers door knocking. They also had no clue they had damages previous to the door knock, door hanger, or yard sign.
I have only recently seen that a “local” can have way more opportunity potential than stormers. They are missing out. Missing out leads to open opportunity for others. I cant think of a better scenario then a “local” reputable company door knocking behind (or ahead) a stormer. That sounds like a pretty easy sell to me. I can tell you no one in our area does this.
Also, saying “I’ve had all the work I could handle for 30 years” sounds a lot like the mentality of our locals who are probably missing out. If you could [successfully] create more leverage then you wouldn’t mention such limitations.
I hung up my “Storm Trooper” Light Sabre a few years back.Storm chasers are scum.Storm Troopers are in it to provide top notch installations and provide a quality service.I do my own work and also knock for a Trooper friend of mine as well.
2 weeks,a 2013 Ford F150 as a gift for exceeding $250,000.00 in sales ilater ,Id say that door knocking works well.And that $250,000.00 is for a reputable Storm Trooper with more than 41,000 verifiable jobs,4 generations and an A+ BBB,a reference list of satisfied customers thats ridiculous,Angies list,Manufacture accreditations and the list goes on and on,and on,and on.
He didnt build his empire by being a crooked POS storm chaser.
. Very good points guys but what would i be missing out on? I stay busy with my current business model and I do fairly well most of the time. I do not want any additional workloads or the headaches that are associated with that. That means I don’t want to pay someone else to knock doors and I surely don’t want to do it myself. With that said I would like to state that I don’t see anything wrong with the door knocking in and of itself.
Thats a decent wage for 2 weeks if you asked me lol. LuckyChucky: Nothing wrong with that model. I was just trying to reference that most locals in our market feel similar. If say 10 of our local roofing companies canvased, stomers would be the ones cleaning up the scraps not visa versa.
Some of the local companies in my area do canvass when storms come. It’s just not my cup of tea. I find life to be a lot easier when the client comes to me.
LC, you’ve convinced me! I’m firing all my Sales and Marketing people today. As of now, I’m sitting at my desk waiting for the phone to ring.
Give a week or two and I’ll be back here with you, telling everybody how great things are and whining about my competitors.
Whatever. Another businessman turned roofer that couldn’t even put a roof on a dog house without someone else to sell it to the dog and a mexican to install it for you!
Yep. I apologize, I didn’t realize somebody died and made you King. By the way, who gave you permission to turn from a roofer to a businessman? I must have missed the meeting the day that came up.
You missed way more than the one day if you think only non-roofers can participate in the business side of roofing. In fact without us roofers you could do no business at all.
Actually Chuckie, if you knew me at all, you’d quickly realize I don’t miss any of that. You’d also realize I’m not a whiner either.
Lucky Chucky. I guess you are a roofer. I’m a roofer. This site is the most Insurance minded site online, probably not the best spot to bring such a fight.
I like your other post, the one with the one nail, I can’t help but notice the repair is not done to manufacturers specs. Am I to assume you, the roofer is the one responsible for the repair? Probably a storm chaser who did the job though huh.
What is this? An internet fight? What you gonna do? CAP LOCK ME? :roll:
Now thats funny roofcheck. I typed manufacturer specifications for residential roof repairs into google search and my website came up at the top spot. No manufacturer specs other than commercial roof repairs came up at all. If you need a material maker to tell you how to fix a shingle roof then you are certainly in the wrong business. That area of the roof is now leak proof, looks good and will stay that way until replacement time. What more could you possibly want?
Man this topic has opened several cans of worms all at the same time!.. this could be a 10 pager!
You should be able to add a tic-tac-toe game within a post. I least there would be something concrete and provable to brag about lol.
Sorry for the delay, was measuring a roof I got from door knocking yesterday. Sold it BTW.
Plywood, OSB or boards no wider than 5-1/2". Those boards are clearly 1x8’s. No No.
You most certainly should consult the manufacturer’s specifications. Why? Because Owens Corning provides a lifetime warranty with 10 years non-prorated. That’s pretty badass. Do you know how much warranty my client gets if I don’t install the way Owens Corning specifies they want their product installed? About 8 seconds - the time it takes me to pull out of his driveway.