VET NEEDS HELP (opinion), See Pictures. How do I make sure they fix it right?


#1

Hello,
We are in the final days of construction on our home. We have noticed heavy rippling of the asphalt shingles all over the roof. I have attached some pictures of what the felt looked like right before they put the shingles down. I have taken photos of every state of the build. The felt looked horrible, is this causing the ripples? My contractor sent me an email telling me that he was sending someone out to “fix” it. How is this fixed? Does it need total replacement? Is this guy just going to put an extra 20,000 nails up there? What would that do?


#2

It looks like it rained after the felt was installed and the felt absorbed the water. This is why i ONLY use synthetic felt, as it repels water and does absorb. Shingles should have never been installed over this felt.
The “repair” that will most likely take place is removing the shingles over the raised felt, and then citing the felt allowing it to lay flat but negating the whole reason for the felt in the first place.
Not much that can be done at this point, the damage has been done. They will slit the felt in the real bad places and call it a day. You are a victim of shoddy workmanship and a lack of business ethics. :confounded:


#3

The quality of felt has really tanked hard across the board, it’s hard or impossible to find anything decent.

I agree with your assessment in general but I can’t say it’s shoddy workmanship just because of the wrinkles.


#4

The shoddy workmanship is them shingling over the bad felt. If they had used a quality synthetic then this wouldn’t have happened.


#5

Cheap felt tends to shrink rather than expand.


#6

I am a shingle installer in Michigan.i would not have installed shingles over this underlayment.mainly because there is so many wrinkles.sombody made a mistake.if there integral in business they will see that they have to correct there mistake.the best way would be too strip down to deck and install the shingles again.unfortunately no cheap way out of this one.i personally never seen15# felt or ice guard wrinkle that bad.makes me believe the underpayment was exposed to the weather for a long time.any way just my thoughts.good luck with your roof.RAO SUB CONTRACTING.


#7

Some wrinkles here and there arent that bad, usually laminate shingles do a good job of covering it, but this is pretty excessive. I dont think it was the shrinking of the felt that made it look this way becuase the ice and water is just as sloppy as the felt.
Others are right about using felt, its usually used by someone whos trying to save a buck, but I personally think underlay (except ice and water) is pretty usless anyways.
Hire a roofer to go up there and see how they installed the shingles. If its a good install then just tell the company to make the roof look nice and give them a boot in the ass, if its a garbage install then you got a problem


#8

I’m a commercial guy, not a residential expert… But even I have to agree with the previous comments. You’re seeing the wildly excessive wrinkles and mole runs in the felt telegraph through to the finished product. 20,000 thousand nails isn’t going to make a bit of a difference, not sure 200,000 nails would do much here…

You may be in a tough situation, the materials have technically been installed correctly, and the finished product is 100% functional and able to perform its job of keeping water out… So, you’re really going to be fighting an up hil battle with the arguement of ascetics. The long and the short, is that shingles should not have been installed over such an uneven surface.

Do you have any way to prove how long the felt was left exposed or if it was subjected to rain / moisture? That would certainly help in demanding the existing be removed and replaced.

I also agree with the comments on felt today being basically junk, it is. Synthetics are the way to go.


#9

Asphalt saturated felt is the only underlayment that gives me peace of mind
After the roof is installed.
Synthetic underlayment is a horrible water barrier after the roof is installed. Period.

Ice and water sheild underlayment is a great water barrier after the roof is installed.
But the problem is ever removing the roof again.

Roofers with wrinkled ice and water sheild underlayment or felt-----should slice through those wrinkles before they install the shingles.
Even with slicing through----it’s still 10 times better than any synthetic.


#10

I must disagree with you. A good synthetic felt is leaps and bounds better than an asphalt saturated felt in every way possible.


#11

Synthetic is good for roofers that don’t put on their roofs right away.
Because it never wrinkles…

Asphalt Saturated felt is made for a quality roofing job.
Synthetic is made for house wrap and even then, it’s barely good enough for that…


#12

Wow, thats all i can say. More people are getting shafted when it comes down to the underlayment.Its good to point out that using synthetic underlayment to protect your roof is better. For instance the felt can crack,buckle, and tear, but the synthetic is much stronger and lighter making it an easy choice for our saratoga roofing specialists to use. With all these pictures you took i don’t see how they will be able to say anything about fixing it, because you have proof of their negligence when it comes to roof replacements. The whole roof needs to be redone. I hope all goes well and that they replace the roof.


#13

I am a commercial BUR guy and maybe do 3or4 shingle roofs a year. I have always used Ice and water at valleys, perimeter, and penetrations & 30lb asphalt in the field. However, I have recently been “experimenting” with synthetic (2jobs) I do not like the fact synthetic has no healing properties around the fasteners. Even if we do a great job at some point hail damage will occur or our high winds and tornadoes will likely peel off some shingles. With asphalt felt it doesnt leak around the fasteners below the damage except maybe in valleys or collection areas. Not sure about the synthetic. I fear many more leaks. Asphalt underlayment should not become brittle and crack before the asphalt shingles stop protecting them from sun. The instances of cracked asphalt underlayment were likely due to ventilation issues or on wood or tile roofs.


#14

The plastic caps are supposed to be what seals the fastener holes, if you use staples it will leak.

I haven’t had any synthetics leak yet, before or after the roofing was applied.

I like standard asphalt felt also, but nowadays all that is available to me is low quality crap, it’s not the same stuff they made 20 yrs ago.


#15

Agreed on the current 15lb felt. If you use it, you have to get ASTM labeled product. FYI, to the guys that claim the wonders of synthetic underlayment…check out the review of those products done by the Western Roofing Contractors Assn. They weren’t as thrilled as you are.


#16

I just had a new roof installed and wood shake shingles taken off. I have looked at the other homes and their flashing is on the outside not the inside as mine was done. Because of this you can see where the siding of the house ends and the composite shinges starts. It’s a 275,000.00 home it doesn’t look good they only have one payment what should I do?


#17

Post a pic otherwise we are shooting in the dark.


#18

I’m guessing you’re talking about the apron flashing. If so, many people prefer it under the shingles versus above. As stated, a pic would help.


#19

I’m suspecting its an issue caused by removing the old shake roof and having to resheet before the shingles can be installed. Probably caused the siding to be a bit high now. If that’s the case its not the roofers fault but I feel he should have brought it to your attention and let you make the call on what to do with it. If you decide you want additional work to make the area more visually appealing it would NOT be part of the original job and would be billed as an “extra”.


#20

If done right exposed apron flashing is better.