Cap shingle / starter shingle


#1

I have hired a roofer to install a new roof. He has already delivered the shingles.

What was delivered was 36 (packs ?) of:
GAF Timberline30 - which have a warranty of 30 years and wind coverage of 70 mph.
and
GAF Royal Sovereign - which have a warranty of 25 years and wind coverage of 60 mph.

Of the 36 packs, 33 are the Timberline30 and 3 are the lesser quality Royal Sovereign.

The contract says it would be the Timberline30.

When I questioned the roofer about the other 3 packs of Royal Sovereign he said they would be used as either “cap shingles” or “starter shingles”.

Is that right or is this guy full of you know what and just trying to save himself some cost by installing a few cheaper shingles.


#2

No that sounds right to me. They use the 3 tabs for starters and ridge caps. You can’t use the 30 year laminates for this.


#3

Some people use 3-tabs for ridge cap but Timberline make it’s own hip and ridge called Timbertex. You can use either but I’d prefer the Timbertex on my house.


#4

Thank you both for the quick responses. I feel a bit better now that I don’t feel like I am getting ripped off.


#5

he is trying but in the new age of roofing forums its gotten a lot harder. per foot timbertex is three times more expensive.


#6

the most common pracice in the industry is 3 tabs for caps and starters. there is nothing wrong with this. probably 80% of roofers use this method. usually if you want timbertex you will pay a little more. wether the roofer says he’s including it, he is building it in the price. the way he is doing it will work fine.


#7

"professionals match the hip and ridge cap to the roof… using hip and ridge cap shingles that do not match the main shingle is a disservice to the customer."
Gaf pro field guide page 188

these are the reasons the customers don’t trust roofers. we all know 80% charge for it and don’t use it unless called on it.the bottom line is its incorect procedure, it also voids the warranty.


#8

[quote=“Hoss”]

"professionals match the hip and ridge cap to the roof… using hip and ridge cap shingles that do not match the main shingle is a disservice to the customer."
Gaf pro field guide page 188
these are the reasons the customers don’t trust roofers. we all know 80% charge for it and don’t use it unless called on it.the bottom line is its incorect procedure, it also voids the warranty.[/quote]

easy with the words there killer. first off…it doesnt void the warranty AT ALL!!! it only changes the warranty on the cap from 30-25. Have you ever tried to make a timbertex ridge run into a steep roof line at the end of a dormer. doesnt make the bend very well. GAF does not frown upon the practice of 3 tab caps or starters. they do however recommend the use of timbertex…because they sell it and it cost more!!!

GAF # 10939NY


#9

I’m with Marshal on this one (& I don’t have a GAF cert #).

I give this kind of shingle to my customer as an upgrade option, however a lot of them don’t want to spend the $$. What I tell them as I point to other 30 year houses (for the ones who are upgrading from a 3T to a Dim) is “See that roof? It’s a 30 year body with 20 year seams.”

IMO, the primary reason to go with a TimberTex or other better quality H&R is for steep slope apps, i.e. 8:12 & better. I have seen WAY too may houses split @ the ridge cap (not hips) after around 10 years of using a 3T.

My biggest concern is in using a 3T for starter. If this guy really knew what end was up, he’d be using something like an Elk brand starter strip. Right around the same price on a bundle as 3T’s & they’re pre-perforated down the center, no cutting required & it will guarantee the sticky part of the starter is going to the outside edge vs. 6" up from the eave.

To you, the inquiring consumer - I suggest you go to a wholesale supply house (NOT a big box) & ask them to show you starter strip & how it’s applied. If your contractor is going to use the 3T’s anyhow, make him CLEANLY & EVENLY cut the tabs off for use as starter.

BTW, 36 bundles total is 12 squares… seems kinda small to me. Doing a garage? It MUST be a 2 story, maybe even a 3 story building, right?

-& That’s my take.-


#10

Timbertex is spendy but looks pretty nice when put on straight.

Certainteed offers three levels of ridge and each one gets thicker.

Shadow Ridge
Contour Ridge
Elevated Ridge

Put on Contour Ridge once but have doubled up the Shadow Ridge with good results many times. I doubled the ridge on my house for example.


#11

You will end up with a nice dimensional roof and a flat ridgeline. Yuck!

You always need a bit of caulk at the dormer transitions, no matter what type of cap our using.


#12

[quote=“AaronB.”]You will end up with a nice dimensional roof and a flat ridgeline. Yuck!

You always need a bit of caulk at the dormer transitions, no matter what type of cap our using.[/quote]

With roll valley no caulk needed. At least not with the past 300 roofs I’ve done with no caulk at the dormers/valleys. BTW, no calls backs.


#13

Hi,

The 3-tab are a diferent color blend then the timberlines. So they do not match.

They also will wear out before the rest of the roof.

So my repair guys will always have work repairing them.


#14

i don’t understand what do you mean “easy with the words killer”. i am not saying anything to anyone who is one honest and trys to save his customer a couple bucks.
they guy how posted was not given a choice by his roofer. the wanted a 30 warranty. if its changed by some component to a 25 year than his 30 warranty is VOID. thats not what he wanted he was deceived. it does not matter what is commonly accepted by most. he was asking about his 30 year warranty and his situation.
if a customer is paying and expects what he reads in the literature of a complete roofing system and that is not what he gets because “it will be fine”. fine according to who? if the manufacture wants it that way and the customer buys it that way, than thats the way it has to be installed.
if gaf does not have a problem with it why did the put that statement in thier field guide!!!


#15

the field of the roof still has a 30 year warranty. just the cap is changed to 25. and why for the 9,000th time are we discussing manufacture warranties. first off is the roofer certified to even give the warranty, and if so is he actually going to register it.


#16

Well said.


#17

In order to give the gaf 50 year warranty from a master elite contractor, don’t you have to use timbertex cap and cobra ridge?

What type of ridge vent is going on this 30 year warranty roof?


#18

i think mr no legs from boston was satfied after the 3rd reply.
we all cap are demensionals with three tabs.

does overanalyzin ring a bell?

gweedo